Many promoters go out of their way to make gigs great for bands and audiences, listing gigs on Live Unsigned, putting up posters, flyering and spreading the word across social media. This post isn’t about those promoters. It is about the promoters who create the gigs that split up bands and waste your time. You can avoid them by researching venues online and playing at places that friends and bands you like play at. You have to be careful, there is one venue in London that manages to tick every box on the list below. Here are some things to watch out for:
Pay to play – The way this one works is that you have to buy a certain amount of tickets from a promoter then the band has to sell these tickets to get paid. However what normally happens is that the band can’t get the correct amount of people to the gig and loses money. Don’t play at any venue that asks you for money to play there, instead set up your own night like we wrote about here. If you buy tickets and have to sell them to get your money back you are taking the risk, not the promoter. Some venues insist this is standard practice but its actually quite rare, often these sort of venues will allow any band to play, regardless of quality as long as they are prepared to pay the money up front. By playing these sorts of venues you can often end up playing on bills crammed full of bands that don’t share an audience and are of variable quality. You don’t want to be associated with this and if you are offered these kind of deals make sure that you tell your friends to avoid these venues and spread the word to other bands. This needs to stop, no band should pay to play.
Over filling venues – What happens here is the promoter tells the band there is a smaller audience than is actually at the gig. So for example for a gig with 300 people they would say there is only 230, allowing them to pay a band who is on a percentage of the door a lot less. This happens often in even the biggest venues, you would be surprised. It is also dangerous in terms of Health and Safety, if there was a fire at some of these gigs it is going to be really dangerous. Peter Grant who managed Led Zeppelin used to get people from his organisation to count the amount of people coming into the gig to ensure that Zeppelin got paid correctly. You can do the same but be careful, promoters are unlikely to take kindly to this. Try and keep some sort of rough idea of how many people are actually coming into the building and you have more chance of getting paid correctly.
Promising to pay you then failing to do so – This happens a lot. Some promoters disappear before the night is over, others say that costs have risen and “there is no money in the pot” to pay the band. The way to avoid this is to agree in writing what you’ll get before the gig, so there is no argument about who gets paid and how much. Ask if there are any conditions that may result in non-payment. Get it in writing and you have a chance of getting paid. If you can get a promoter to sign one of the standard contracts that’s great but it is very hard to get most venues and promoters to do this.
All of the above and worse happen to bands every day. We’ve written before about being careful about choosing the venues you play (you can read it here) but some promoters actually go out of their way to try and get that little bit extra out of bands. If you are treated badly at a venue, tell people and help others to avoid being ripped off. What normally happens to theses promoters is that eventually their reputation becomes so bad that they stop promoting gigs. Unfortunately there are always more people thinking there is easy money to be made from gigs. Be aware these promoters are out there and be careful where you play.








